Chancy Combo: Why The Founders Were Not Fans Of Preacher-Politicians
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Tue Aug 16, 2016 at 02:44:13 PM EST

Republican presidential nominee Donald J. Trump has vowed to repeal a federal law that bars houses of worship (and other tax-exempt non-profits) from endorsing or opposing candidates for public office.

In light of this, there has been a lot of talk lately about the proper role of religion in politics. Yesterday, evangelical scholar John Fea published an opinion column with Religion News Service that adds some overlooked - but important - history to the mix.

Fea pointed out that many of the Founding Fathers were so wary of mixing faith and politics that the state constitutions they wrote barred ministers from holding public office.

Revolutionary War-era constitutions in North Carolina, New York, Georgia, South Carolina, Delaware, Tennessee, Maryland and Kentucky banned members of the clergy from running for office, says Fea.

North Carolina's 1776 Constitution says "that no clergyman, or preacher of the gospel of any denomination, shall be capable of being a member of either the Senate, House of Commons, or Council of State, while he continues in the exercise of the pastoral function."

The New York Constitution of 1777 is similar. It states, "And whereas the ministers of the gospels are, by their profession, dedicated to the service of God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their function; therefore, no minister of the gospel, or priest of any denomination whatsoever, shall, at any time hereafter, under any pretense of description whatever, be eligible to, or capable of holding, any civil or military office or place within this State."

In his column, Fea criticizes David Lane, a Religious Right activist who is urging fundamentalist Christian pastors to run for office in the hopes of sparking a revival and making America a "Christian nation."

Observes Fea, "The Founding Fathers understood something about the role of clergy in American society that Lane and his Christian nationalist friends do not. Those who care for the soul have a `great' spiritual duty that should never be compromised or tarnished by politics. This is why they thought that the `separation of church and state' was important."

Fea doesn't mention it in his column, but Thomas Jefferson shared these concerns. In March of 1815, Jefferson responded to a letter he had received from Peter Hercules Wendover, a member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Wendover had sent Jefferson a series of sermons published by a pastor named Alexander McLeod about the recently concluded War of 1812. Jefferson agreed with McLeod's support for the war but took issue with the religious leader's decision to base so many sermons on it.

Jefferson wrote a long reply to Wendover dated March 13, 1815, but decided against sending it due to "mr Wendover's character & calling being entirely unknown." But Jefferson did save the letter, and it ended up among his papers. Speaking of McLeod, he observed, "On one question only I differ from him, and it is that which constitutes the subject of his first discourse, the right of discussing public affairs in the pulpit."

Preachers, Jefferson opined, should stick to what they know best: religion.

"[I] suppose there is not an instance of a single congregation which has employed their preacher for the mixed purposes of lecturing them from the pulpit in chemistry, in medicine, in law, in the science and principles of government, or in anything but religion exclusively," Jefferson wrote. "Whenever, therefore, preachers, instead of a lesson in religion, put them off with a discourse on the Copernican system, on chemical affinities, on the construction of government, or the characters or conduct of those administering it, it is a breach of contract, depriving their audience of the kind of service for which they are salaried, and giving them, instead of it, what they did not want, or, if wanted, would rather seek from better sources in that particular art or science."

Few people these days would argue that clergy should be denied the right to hold public office. Indeed, the U.S. Supreme Court in a 1978 case called McDaniel v. Paty declared Tennessee's ban on clergy running for office unconstitutional. 

But, as Fea's column notes, the old prohibition shines an interesting light into the mindset of the Founders. Many were definitely concerned about the corrupting influences an injudicious mixture of religion and politics imposed on both church and state.

Pastors today have the right to run for office just like everyone else - but they have no right to use the resources of their tax-exempt houses of worship to get themselves or any other candidate elected.

Trump and the right-wing evangelicals he is so aggressively courting would do well to bear that in mind.





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He has so many laws he's going to either make or repeal. Maybe he doesn't understand that the POTUS doesn't do that - Congress does. Of course, many of the loonies in Congress would love to institute a theocracy, as well.

by phatkhat on Tue Aug 16, 2016 at 09:58:54 PM EST

that the "founding fathers" were well aware of the propensity of the preachers of many denominations to try to overtly drag religion into everything.   They (rightly) probably feared that like what has happened so often, religion would be taken from an inward thing that was supposed to improve the person (and thus be a positive influence on the world around them), to an outward and coerced thing - religious tyranny.  Being religiously neutral was a brilliant and unusual idea - and as we can see from today, it's still hard for a lot of people to understand (much less accept).

As far at Trump, I think that he realizes the people most likely to support and even extend the status quo (the rich in power like now) is the preachers and ministers.  So he's going to pander to them as much as possible, because they also protect HIS power and wealth (and conceivably could extend it, unless we can build enough votes to keep him out of office).  Some preachers and ministers have and would resist (and rightly so) the accumulation of wealth and power in the hands of the few, but as we well know, so many of the more fundamentalist ones are addicted to their power and riches and thus already have a conflict of interest when it comes to what they preach.  What we're fighting is the structure that was imported from Europe - those with wealth dictating and exploiting the lives of those without.  

If we could get an idea into the American psyche, we could reduce their power significantly.  Right now, the base of thinking for most people is "wealth = privilege".  If we could get the idea of "wealth = responsibility for others" into people's thinking, it would help!


by ArchaeoBob on Fri Aug 19, 2016 at 11:57:54 AM EST


Thank you for this great post. From this post, I came to know why the founders were not fans Of Preacher-Politicians. I like to read your all posts. round diamond bridal sets Because all topics are explained in simple words and references are attached to it.

by charlly on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 02:39:50 AM EST

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by ryroja123 on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 11:12:35 AM EST

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