"The Book of Mormon" Wins Tony for Best Musical, Will Romney Dance His Way to the WH
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 09:21:08 AM EST
Some are calling it the Mormon 'moment'; others are writing 'They're here, they're square, get used to it!' But some conservative Christian evangelicals are adamant that Romney's Mormonism disqualifies him from the presidency.

Given that the Republican Party's presidential debate had taken place the night before, and given Mitt Romney's apparent "victory" - untouched, un-phased, and unharmed -- while folks were scarfing down the jalapeno artichoke dip, fruit salad, fresh strawberries, ham, turkey, chips, crackers and assorted cheeses at a high school graduation party for a friend's son the other evening, the political chitchat turned towards Mormons and Mormonism.

Romney's front-runner status combined with a number of broader cultural markers, including the fact that The Book of Mormon - produced by South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone, along with Robert Lopez, had won a number of awards at Sunday night's Tony Awards, including the award for Best Musical, seemed to have people eager to talk about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons); its history, beliefs, notable figures, and extensive involvement in politics.

Over the past 180-+ years, Mormonism has traversed an extraordinary path from its initial founding in Western New York state, to Missouri, Utah, and now ...  to the Great White Way.

'Book of Mormon' creators thank Joseph Smith

In accepting the Tony, Parker thanked Mormonism's founder Joseph Smith Jr.: "You did it, Joseph," Trey Parker gleefully declared, "You got the Tony!"

Never mind, according to Jared Farmer's extensive and thorough review of The Book of Mormon for Religion Dispatches ("Why The Book of Mormon (the Musical) is Awesomely Lame" - http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/culture/4743/why_the_bo ok_of_mormon_%28the_musical%29_is_awesomely_lame__/), that while the play "is fun, and occasionally uproarious," it appears that "Many of ... [its] ethnographic details are wrong."

'LDS church takes center stage'

With two Mormons - Mitt Romney and Jon M. Huntsman Jr. -- now in the race for the Republican Party's presidential nomination, there will be lots of talk about Mormonism in the coming months. As Religion Link pointed out in a piece called "The Mormon moment: The LDS church takes center stage" (http://www.religionlink.com/tip_110520.php), "the fact that Romney and Huntsman, who addressed [Ralph Reed's] Faith and Freedom Conference and Strategy Briefing, are considered top prospects for the GOP nomination is viewed by many experts as a sign of political progress for" Mormons.

According to an early June poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press,  "A substantial majority of Americans (68%) say it would not matter to them if a presidential candidate was Mormon. A quarter (25%) says they would be less likely to support a Mormon, while 5% say they would be more likely to support a Mormon candidate. These opinions are little changed from February 2007 (64% said this would not matter, 30% less likely, 2% more likely)."

The poll pointed out that in addition to differences by Party affiliation, there "are differences by religious affiliation": "About a third of white evangelical Protestants (34%) say they would less likely to support a Mormon candidate, compared with 24% of the religiously unaffiliated, and just 19% of white mainline Protestants and about the same percentage of white Catholics (16%). These opinions have changed little since 2007."

However, for some conservative Christian evangelicals, including journalist Warren Cole Smith,  Romney and Huntsman's Mormonism may undercut the viability of their candidacies. Smith, author of A Lover's Quarrel With The Evangelical Church, wrote in a late May column posted at Patheos and titled "A Vote for Romney Is a Vote for the LDS Church" (http://www.patheos.com//Resources/Additional-Resources/Vote-for-R omney-Is-a-Vote-for-the-LDS-Church-Warren-Cole-Smith-05-24-2011.h tml), that Romney's "religious worldview will be vital to his governing philosophy, and will ultimately be the issue that undermines his candidacy."

Despite the fact that "the theology of Mormonism is very different from orthodox Christian theology, its social teachings on abortion, same-sex marriage, and a range of other issues are very similar," Romney supporters might argue. But Smith maintained that "Even if a Mormon social teaching happens to concur with orthodox Christianity at this point in time, it is unreliable and subject to alteration. It's tempting to say that 'continuing revelation' has defined Romney's career, who has changed his positions on same-sex marriage and abortion and just about every major 'culture war' issue."

Smith acknowledged that "The vast majority of Americans won't care about these theological implications. Indeed, Americans are generally tone-deaf to theological nuances. But to all American voters-religious or not-I would ask this question: Do we want a person who believes that history is something you can "make up as you go along" negotiating the outcomes of conflicts with real histories that go back thousands of years?"

Nevertheless, a column in The Economist's Democracy in America blog titled "They're here, they're square, get used to it!" (http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/06/mormons ), asks the question: "why don't people like Mormons?"

"No other faith, save perhaps Islam, catches so much flak in the United States," blogger E.G. asserts. "Even among Americans who aren't hostile to Mormonism, the default position seems to be skepticism or ridicule rather than anodyne appreciation for the varieties of religious experience."

The Mormon 'moment' has lasted at least a decade

Regardless of what people know, or think they know, about Mormonism, Farmer, the author of On Zion's Mount: Mormons, Indians, and the American Landscape, and a history teacher at the State University of New York at Stony Brook, also pointed out "the past ten years in America has been something of a Mormon moment."

In addition to Romney and Huntsman's current bid for the presidency, there's "the power of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the power of Fox News demagogue Glenn Beck," and the political power exercised by the church in the fight over Proposition 8.  Such cultural markers as the '7 Habits' empire of business management guru Stephen R. Covey, the widespread commentary about the Mormon influences in Stephanie Meyer's phenomenally popular Twilight series, ... the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping and its judicial aftermath, the Warren Jeffs trial, American Idol runner-up David Archuleta, all-time Jeopardy winner Ken Jennings, ex-Mormon bad boy playwright-screenwriter-director Neil LaBute."

Add to the list "Jared and Jerusha Hess' sleeper indie hit Napoleon Dynamite, the PBS documentary The Mormons, HBO's adaptation of Angels in America, HBO's original series Big Love, TLC's reality show Sister Wives, Richard and Joan Ostling's investigative nonfiction Mormon America, John Krakauer's polemical nonfiction Under the Banner of Heaven, Martha Beck's scandalous memoir Leaving the Saints, David Ebershoff's experimental fiction The 19th Wife, Brady Udall's tragicomic novel The Lonely Polygamist, and the South Park episode about Joseph Smith (who also shows up as one of the 'Super Best Friends' in other episodes satirizing religion)."

Does anyone remember the Osmond family? And who hasn't spent at least part of a Christmas Eve watching the Mormon Tabernacle Choir?

So, in the coming months, we are going to hear and learn lots more about Mormons. We'll learn about the famous and the infamous. We'll learn more about the actors, producers, directors and other entertainers, athletes, artists, writers and authors, politicians and businessmen that have contributed to the diverse fabric of America ("Famous Mormons" -- http://famousmormons.net/artists.html).

We'll also learn that the religion has spawned its fair share of killers and murderers (Ted Bundy, Arthur Gary Bishop) and bank robbers and thieves (Butch Cassidy). For more, see "Infamous Mormons: Latter-day Saints who have behaved very badly, notorious criminals" -- http://famousmormons.net/infamous.html.

"There are aspects of Mormonism that are objectionable, but not more so than we see in other religions," The Economist's E.G. pointed put. "For example, they do a lot of missionary work, which some people find offensive, but that's not unique to the Latter-Day Saints. And some Mormon fundamentalists display grotesque personal behavior, but that's true of some fundamentalist anybodies. The biggest difference between Mormonism and other widespread world religions is that Mormonism is relatively new; that may contribute to the skepticism about it, which contributes to the faith's insularity, which contributes to additional skepticism, and so on."

The newness of the LDS is not journalist Warren Cole Smith's biggest objection to both Mormonism and a Romney candidacy. Smith claimed that "At its core, Mormonism is - by Christian standards or by reasonable secular standards - an a-historical (and at times anti-historical) worldview. Evangelicals and others who argue that you cannot dismiss Romney based on his religion either miss or ignore this critical point. The boat of Mormonism is not tied to the anchor of either historical Christianity or even commonly accepted historical facts. Because the boat of Mormonism has been cut loose from that anchor, and is adrift in a sea of philosophies and ideas, any similarity between Christian and Mormon is historically temporary and not a reliable gauge of how Romney will govern."

While Romney is certainly not the first choice of Religious Right leaders (nor the Tea Party for that matter), it is extremely unlikely that should he become the GOP's presidential nominee, the Religious Right would forsake him.




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allow a Mormon to get the party's nomination for President, no matter how many cute musicals (written by two atheists by the way) come before the public. Those that hold the purse strings of the party have an agenda, and it does not include giving power to anyone other than a Christian Protestant.

by monarchmom on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 09:51:20 AM EST

I am concerned about this from another standpoint.  Mormonism has in its foundation rampant racism and although the teachings of their book on this continent has been soundly disproved (as in it's bull**), some Mormons still buy the lies and promote them.  Indeed, Mormon teachings are a topic in teachings about pseudoarchaeology and "Fantastic (as in false) Archaeology".  

If they would publicly renounce and denounce that stuff, it wouldn't be so bad.  So far, I've never heard that religious movement do so as a whole (Individuals, yes - only a couple).  I HAVE heard people from the church actually promote and proclaim the BS (leading to a couple of rather hostile confrontations).

I also hope that they've become less hostile and bigoted towards other religions/churches.  Long story, but as a little boy a Mormon church group left me for dead after telling me to my face "You're nothing but a gentile brat anyway!".  If it wasn't for a non-Mormon girl on horseback riding on a little traveled back road, I wouldn't be here today.  I remember that experience like it was yesterday... even had a bad flashback to it a couple of years ago during a hostile "encounter" with a Mormon trying to "prove" his religion.

A final concern I'll mention is the coercive nature I keep reading about connected with that church (and not from "Christian" anti-Mormon propaganda).  I've even met ex-Mormons who have backed up the coercive (and even the tendency towards brainwashing) nature that has been reported.  A few of the people also reported the attempts to pressure non-Mormons into conforming with some of the dictates of their religion, confirming my memories (and stories from my parents).   The fact that they worked with dominionists and fundamentalists regarding Proposition 8 doesn't surprise me.  

I'm as concerned about this as I was about the idea of Huckabee getting into the presidency.  IMO, there would be little difference between the two.


by ArchaeoBob on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 11:09:19 AM EST

... is defense of separation of church and state, religious pluralism, and our ability to co-existence.  The purpose is not to determine whose faith is correct and whose faith is false, since Talk2action.org is not a doctrinal discernment website.

It would be hard to find a religious entity or belief system that does not have racism in its past.  I grew up Southern Baptist in the South and I could also relate some personal stories about the racism I've seen, and other accounts about discrimination against Mormons.

I write about dominionists (or any other group that has declared war on separation of church and state) because they clearly voiced their intentions of eradicating other religions and denominations. That included writing about Sarah Palin, because she was clearly involved with dominionist leaders and activism, not because she grew up Pentecostal.

Neither Romney nor Huntsman should be held liable for the past history of the LDS church. I would argue that what matters, in terms of governing, is whether a candidate has expressed intent or participated with activists that attack separation of church and state.

For instance, a striking and current example would be Rick Perry, who is going to lead an event led by AFA, IHOP, and The Call leaders.  This falls squarely inside the definition of participating in a war against religious pluralism.

 

by Rachel Tabachnick on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 01:41:21 PM EST
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Racism is a common thread that is shared between the dominionists and the Mormon church, and the racist attitudes of dominionists have been discussed here in the past without complaint.  The Mormon church has been known to be intolerant of other religions and churches (as I experienced), and the intolerance of dominionists has been discussed at length here, again without complaint.  

Just as much of the stuff in dominionism is driven by doctrine and expressed as attacks on the separation of church and state and in other areas, so I would argue that the doctrine of the Mormon church (or parts of it) should be a source of concern (especially if it promotes prejudice and discrimination).  

If they didn't try to force that doctrine on others, well, it would be a different story (ditto for the dominionists, although their teaching lies to their children and to each other is problematic).  Forcing their doctrines on others has been a historic problem with the Mormon church - I suggest you look into the attitudes towards people of sub-Saharan Africa descent as well (and those attitudes have been heard in recent years).

If you think of dominionism as taking fundamentalism to extremes (I would argue to fundamentalism's natural conclusion), then the coercive nature of a group should be of concern in the discussions here.  I've said it before (elsewhere), that in my observation fundamentalists tend to be internally coercive, and as they get more extreme they become externally coercive (or suicidal).  The Mormon church, according to many, is already said to be internally coercive and at times externally coercive.  The church was recently active in trying to suppress the rights of LGBT people (proposition 8 for instance).   They seem to be growing in their attempts to pressure others to fit their mold.  I expect to see more and more collaboration between them and, for instance, the people behind the NAR.

 

by ArchaeoBob on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 07:31:27 PM EST
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Exposing bigotry, racism, supremacism, etc.,  is the purpose of this endeavor.  My point is that many of the attacks on Romney's Mormonism, for example, are doctrinal in nature.  They are attacks on Mormonism as being a "false" religion.

It is not the mission of Talk2action.org to say a religion is "true" or "false" or that a candidate's beliefs are "true" or "false."  This would indeed fall into the category of a religious test for office.  

However, a candidate's intent to force his or her religious beliefs on others or to tear down the wall of separation of church and state is a different matter altogether, and, in my opinion, is where we should be focused.

by Rachel Tabachnick on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 11:47:15 AM EST
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I thought you were saying that my comments about Mormonism was on the order of "doctrinal discernment" (which it wasn't).

by ArchaeoBob on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 01:04:00 PM EST
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about the founding premises of Judaism and Christianity being based upon religious superiority or racism if you will, one could just read the history of what these religions did to the pagans.  Plus, there is no more evidence for the basic claims of either Judaism or Christianity than there is for the narrative of Mormonism. So in terms of one religion having more "correctness", it's a wash.

The question here isn't about that though. It really is about the fact that we have basically set up a religious test for office in this country. In the case of Romney and Huntsman, I think their nill chances of being nominated is already a done deal.

by monarchmom on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 11:01:17 PM EST
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I hadn't considered the idea of a de facto religious test regarding the Mormons, but at the same time it would be disastrous for someone like Palin to get into the Presidency, or Huckabee - and that is because of their religious beliefs. (I will not discount the possibility of Palin or someone similar getting into the Presidency.  We nearly had a rabid dominionist in office before.)  I'd also be concerned about the Mormon candidates because of their support of dominionist-type causes.  They should be like President Kennedy... make sure that their religious beliefs will not interfere or dictate their politics.

IMO, if Romney gets close, I wouldn't put it past the dominionists (of whatever flavor) to support him in order to get their way.   They'd look at his stances on things and realize he's closer to them than they'd like to admit.  He'd be more acceptable to them than some of the others.

Think about Rick Scott and the Tea Party and what they're doing to Florida, or what is happening in other states for evidence of religion-driven politics and the sort of damage it does.  A religious test is wrong, but at the same time religion and politics need to be separated again.  This country can't afford or survive the sort of stuff we see almost every day (at least, down here).

Regading Christianity and Judaism, I am very familiar with the history and the archaeological evidence.  No more evidence for part of the claims is right, but there IS evidence for some of them (existence of Israel at approximately the time of King David, for instance, and more than one non-Christian documents mentioning Jesus).  It's not as simple as "Christians persecuted Pagans" or "Pagans persecuted Christians", the persecution went both ways at different times and there were also times where they co-existed.  Their beliefs were also not as stereotypical as people today tend to assume.  It would be about the same as saying that "all Christians today preach that Pagans worship devils".  That is demonstratively wrong - talk to any UU Christian (and other churches don't believe that Pagans worship devils as well).

Most of the New Testament claims cannot be tested.  Some in the Old Testament can, and some have been supported while others have been disproved (such as literal young-earth creation, worldwide flood, destruction of some towns during the Exodus, and so on).  Most of those are not central to the ideology of either religion, unless you're an Absolutist.  The ideology about the settling of the Americas is a central tenet, and it has been solidly disproved.  It would be about the same as absolutely disproving that the Exodus happened at all in Judaism, which is unlikely (proving that the actual events were different than reported is a different story).  This, however is the point I was trying to make about their beliefs.  One of the more central tenets promotes lies, prejudice, and discrimination against Native Americans, and it is demonstratively not true.  I've heard that BS promoted as recently as about two years ago, by an advanced college student from their university and by others (it was what the student had learned in some of his classes).  So, like the sort of stuff you'll hear from some dominionist groups regarding the Jews (or regarding pagans or in some cases Africans), it is and should be a cause for concern.

 

by ArchaeoBob on Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 11:40:43 AM EST
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