Rand Paul - Public Health Care Is Like Robbing Your Neighbor At Gunpoint
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Tue Jun 22, 2010 at 05:25:56 PM EST
Government-supported public health care is:

a) A system that can help average Americans avoid losing their homes, incurring crippling debt, or being forced into bankruptcy from health care costs associated with major illnesses and injuries.

b) Like sending goons to rob your neighbor at gunpoint.

If you answered "a" you might be an average American worried that your insurance plan might not cover certain types of medical expenses - if you're one of the lucky ones to have a health insurance plan rather than one of the over 15% of American citizens who lack health care coverage (46.3 million, 15.4% of the US population, lacked health insurance in 2009 according to a recent survey.)

If you answered "b" you might be Kentucky Republican Senate nominee Rand Paul.

In a November 7, 1999 letter to the editor published in the Bowling Green, Kentucky Daily News, U.S. Senate hopeful Rand Paul argued,

From a Judeo-Christian point-of-view, individuals should be their brother's keeper.... Religious and ethical guidelines, however, are distinct and separate from the concept of rights....

If you argue for the rights to concrete items such as health care, you must then argue that you have the right to an individual's labor. If you maintain a right to a service, you must then obligate other individuals to provide that service.. The labor of health care ranges from that of the orderlies, the nurses, the doctors, the administrators, to the shareholders.

If you argue that healthcare providers alone are not expected to pay for everyone's health care, then whom? The taxpayers? But who are the taxpayers? They are your neighbors. If you maintain a right to healthcare or housing, you must argue that your belief, which you call a "right," is sufficient to send armed tax collectors to your neighbors house to expropriate that "right."

As individuals we should argue for providing health care or housing to the needy, as a religious or ethical exhortation. But the moment we invoke the coercive power of government to provide a economic item, we must acknowledge that our religious creed is now to be imposed on disbelievers by the force of law.

Rand Paul's position seems not to have changed over the course of the last decade. As the Courier-Journal reported in a story titled Rand Paul has long history of controversial views, in a December 2nd, 2002 appearance on Kentucky Educational Television's Kentucky Tonight Paul stated, "We need to get insurance out of the way and let the consumer interact with their doctor the way they did basically before World War II." What did he mean, how would this work out in practice ?

Rand Paul's  January 29, 1999 appearance on Kentucky Tonight provided some possible answers: the Republican Senate candidate seems favor Nevada GOP primary contender Sue Lowden's bartering chickens for health care approach.

So, per Rand Paul's and Sue Lowden's shared vision, the price of health care and doctor's visits might be chickens, sheep, goats, cows, iPods and laptops,  jewelry, cash, gold teeth, spare kidneys... The full list would be long. If the health care emergency was especially pressing (a brain aneurysm or heart attack, or a young child hit by a car) payment for services rendered might be the house, or at least the family car  -  or whatever ready cash or fungible goods might be on hand to cajole hospitals or doctors into providing necessary or life-saving medical procedures.

As Paul told Kentucky Tonight viewers on January 1999,

"If you go to the doctor, you don't pay directly for your doctor's services, your insurance company pays for it. ... So the price goes up indiscriminately because nobody is there to barter down the price. What we need is higher-deductible plans, people paying more cash as they go into the doctor, and then what we'll have is the prices will level off."

The assertion that publicly provided health care, because it is based at some level on the government redistribution of wealth, is coercive, an act of violence even, is neither right nor wrong - it's simply a political and philosophical position. But it's worth considering the prospect that if Rand Paul's putative health care model were enacted, we'd see Leukemia victims, women in labor, or parents of injured children, desperately dragging in tow fungible personal possessions, or car and house titles, along in ambulances, to wind up haggling, even as death encroached, over the alleged worth of the goods with medical personnel who would of course hold the ultimate trump card - give up the loot, at a steep discount, accept our terms... or else.

Of course, the overwhelming majority of Americans who work in the health care profession would find such a system morally abhorrent to the extreme. Yet Rand Paul seems to find it eminently reasonable and sensible. Why ? As Alternet's Adele Stan has suggested, curious minds might look to the Constitution Party.  




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If you try to get Disability, if you don't sell everything you own at whatever is offered, you're not considered as being desperate for help and may be denied on those grounds.

Believe me, people are waiting to offer you cash- pennies on the dollar and tell you you're lucky to get that.

Then they sell it for top dollar.

They don't even care if it's family keepsakes or family records, if it has even a penny's value.  If you don't sell it and spend it on doctors, you're not desperate for help.

by ArchaeoBob on Tue Jun 22, 2010 at 09:16:58 PM EST


the fact that insurance companies barter down the price with the doctor's fees all the time. In fact, they're not so much bartered, as set in stone with a take it or leave it attitude. If the doctor leaves it, they don't get any patients enrolled in that plan. You turn down giants like United Healthcare or Blue Cross, you won't have any patients.

by GenieO on Tue Jun 22, 2010 at 11:22:12 PM EST

The real question here is why name anyone 'Rand'? Kidding. This whole subject shows the dysfunction of the religious right. Jesus healed for free, without expecting anything. His followers should want to help others and relieve their suffering, which is routinely accomplished in less "Christian" countries than America through universal healthcare. Yet, His modern American followers are rabid with war-fever and are obsessed with homosexuality and race.
I am a barber in Mississippi and have 3 kids. We don't have health insurance because we simply don't have an extra 600.00 a month to give to insurance company executives so they can live it up. We self pay and pray that nothing bad happens. So far so good, but I don't like it this way. It seems the folks who have some type of govt. provided insurance (state workers, etc.) are the ones most against universal care.
I'm happy for Rand, though, now that he is in Congress. He will have top-notch health insurance provided for him by the selfless good people of Kentucky. He deserves it more than they do. Let them run for Congress if they want insurance!

by COinMS on Wed Jun 23, 2010 at 08:40:42 AM EST
Out of the last 32 years I've lived in Florida, we've had insurance a sum total of 5 years.  The rest of the time it was denied (by employers who said they couldn't afford it) or cost more than we could afford.

People would tell us we couldn't afford to NOT have it, but they didn't have to choose between making the insurance company richer and putting food on the table (literally).  

The few periods when we could afford insurance- the cheapest possible, and ended up needing medical care, they fought tooth and nail against paying, even for legitimate claims.  We also had to pay up-front for part of the care, and was almost denied needed care because we didn't have the money (my family had to dig into savings- we didn't have it).

The insurance companies- when my wife recently looked into cheap insurance, some of the representatives of different companies told her to LIE on the application about diabetes and being overweight (due to health.)  If you have diabetes, forget it.  If you're overweight, you pay a premium (punishing you for having half a thyroid missing, for instance) or are also denied.

The "ministries" and non-profits set up to help those without insurance?  They automatically consider everything you deal with to be the result of laziness, gluttony, drug use, "bad life choices", and so on.  Not only that, but you have to go through a regular "evaluation" where you have to turn over all of your financial records and private stuff to them for their perusal and recording.  It's embarrassing, but they don't care.  (Supposedly it's to prevent those who don't qualify from applying, but the result often is that people who SHOULD qualify often don't!)

The system is broken, and needs to be fixed.  Rand just wants to eliminate it- to h*ll with the ordinary people (and especially to the poor).  

I just hope he doesn't claim to be Christian.  The dominionists and like ilk have made a mockery of Jesus.

I wish we had the system I observed in Europe- it was far better and less burdensome on the "average citizen".  Universal health care is far more Christian than the for-profit setup America has.  People don't need to embarrass themselves on top of dealing with the pain or illness they go into the system with- nor are they routinely castigated for things like "bad life choices" (that weren't made) like you'll hear in the US health system.

I've never read any reports or articles on this, but I bet that the people in the medical profession over there also have a much higher job satisfaction and far less burnout than we do here.

by ArchaeoBob on Wed Jun 23, 2010 at 10:22:39 AM EST
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If those who have health insurance are having problems with their healthcare cost, then how much more those who don't have? They are much more struggling with their healthcare expenses. Obviously, many of us are desperate of financial help. The access to healthcare in the country has been a long time debate in social and political issues. Nevertheless, the main concern over this debate is the restriction of financial aid to finance the healthcare expenses of many individuals. We can't deny that some politicians have aimed to limit the access of financial assistance. And this is truly upsetting especially for those who are facing financial mess.  

by HerbertM on Mon Jun 28, 2010 at 04:46:56 AM EST

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