'Common Ground' with who?
Bill Berkowitz printable version print page     Bookmark and Share
Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 11:20:37 AM EST
Condemn the murder of Dr. George Tilller? Absolutely! Is condemnation enough? Not on your life!

Sometime during the day after the assasinastion of Dr. George Tiller, I received another condemnation of the murder in my in-box.

This one was from Faith In Public Life, an organization working hard to establish "common ground" amongst conservative and liberal religious leaders. (Thus far, I have generally been agnostic about "common ground" efforts.)

The headline read "Religious Leaders Seeking Common Ground on Abortion: Condemn George Tiller's Murder, Say Act Offends Us All"

What followed was a condemnation of the murder. I was sorry to see that it didn't go nearly far enough.

Statement from Faith in Public Life

"In reaction to the tragic murder of Dr. George Tiller, religious leaders and groups who hold different views on the legality of abortion, but a shared commitment to working towards common ground solutions to reduce abortions by addressing its root causes issued the following statement this morning:

"We were shocked and saddened to hear that Dr. George Tiller was murdered at his church yesterday morning. Such violence is an affront to the teachings of all faith traditions and an attack on civil society. Houses of worship have served as sanctuaries providing a safe harbor even in times of widespread violence for millennia -- that this act took place in Dr. Tiller's church where he was serving as an usher on Sunday morning only underscores its abhorrence. We condemn it, and we pray for Dr. Tiller's family, church and community.

"As people of faith working to create civility and common ground on abortion, this reprehensible attack reminds us of our moral obligation to respect the humanity of those on both sides of this issue. Wherever we stand, this act offends us all."

The statement was signed by Dr. Joel Hunter, Senior Pastor, Northland A Church Distributed; Rabbi David Saperstein, Director, Religious Actions Center for Reform Judaism; Dr. David P. Gushee, Distinguished Professor of Christian Ethics, Mercer University; Melissa Rogers, Director, Center for Religion and Public Affairs, Wake Forest University Divinity School; Ron Sider, President, Evangelicals for Social Action; Rev. Susan Thistlethwaite, Former President, Chicago Theological Seminary; Chris Korzen, Executive Director, Catholics United; Emilie M. Townes, Associate Dean of Academic Affairs, Yale Divinity School; Steve Schneck, Director, Life Cycle Institute, The Catholic University of America; Rev. Derrick Harkins, Senior Pastor, Nineteenth Street Baptist Church; Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good; Faith in Public Life; and Sojourners.

In her note, Katie Paris asked if I had any questions. This was my (immediate, angry and not all that articulate) response:  

"In my mind, the statement does not go far enough. Why haven't these highly respected religious leaders that are condemning the murder of Dr. George Tiller at the same time, also condemn the hate talk that is spewed daily against abortion providers by a number of so-called Christian groups?

"What good is merely a condemnation of the murder if it doesn't try to get to one of the reasons that ordinary people commit such acts -- the hate speech (calling doctors baby killers or even calling the president a baby killer) that drives people to it. Keep in mind that even James Dobson and Tony Perkins have condemned the murder. What good is a condemnation of Tiller's murder if the hate speech that often inspires -- perhaps even drives -- one to commit such murders is not also condemned?

"Your thoughts?"

Thus far ... no response.




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This was a political assaination and an act of terror. Using the simple term 'murder' does not do justice to the gravity of the crime or the impact on society.

"Keep in mind that even James Dobson and Tony Perkins have condemned the murder" Wait for a couple of weeks and there will be some fund rais9ing letters going out to "help us defend the attack onus by the liberals who condon killing babies."

And unfortunately my mother will send the blood suckers another $25.

by PlacitasRoy on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 10:28:34 PM EST


Now they own it.

Your letter to FiPL said all it needed to, and their response says it all.



by trog69 on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 10:36:30 PM EST

Faith in Public Life gets it. Amidst the evil of the this particular murder, let's not lose sight of the importance of protecting people's rights to protest militantly and vehemently in support of deeply held beliefs. It's easy to applaud the rights of speech for one's friends and allies. But, the real test is defending everyone's speech rights--even when exercised radically, obnoxiously, or disturbingly. *** For comparison, some of us opposed the Vietnam war pretty aggressively. Some yelled at police, published nasty pamphlets with pictures of dead Vietnamese children, compared the Nixon administration to the Third Reich. It seems to me that the phrase "baby killer" was used then too. A few loners associated with that anti-war movement became violent and people were killed. Clearly, those murderers were utterly and terribly wrong. But, are we to hold the non-violent majority of protesters partly to blame? Should anti-war protesters have been more temperate in their opposition? Were those supporting the Nixon administration right to have called for us to tone down our rhetoric? Should there have been more limits on demonstrations and picketing and more limits too on the fiery over-the-top words of Rubin, Hoffman, or whomever? *** I'm pro-life and a signer of the Faith in Public Life statement. I am also convinced that overcoming the culture wars by finding common ground is the way forward on many fronts for America. But, committed as I am to rational discourse and common ground, such ideals must not be enforced such that strident protest in support of important values would be muzzled.

by SSchneck on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:39:21 PM EST
that you and your co-signing colleagues think that the murder of Dr. Tiller is somehow about you.

I wonder if it is possible for any of you to make an unequivocal, undiluted statement condeming this political assasination and those who adocate or make apologies for for this approach.  

I wonder too, if you are able to recognize that claims that legal abortion constitutes "mass murder" or is equivalent to "the Holocaust" is a moral call to vigilante action, and what Bill called hate speech is real and has consequences.

That said, there is no effort or even any call to suppress the right to protest and to protest vigorously whatever one wants to protest. Certainly not Bill Berkowitz and certainly no one affiliated with this site. So please spare us the straw man arguments.

I notice that you seem unable to address Bill's actual point, and related points made on this site, and quickly shift to argument by analogy.

by Frederick Clarkson on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 03:03:06 PM EST
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That phrase took me back to about 1989-92. There were clinic blockades, and I was a clinic defender.  I saw the "peaceful" protesters and more than once I was lucky not to be injured by them, since "peaceful" meant stomping on clinic defenders' feet as well as screaming abuse.

by nogodsnomasters on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 05:27:08 PM EST
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