What the Hell Happened to Christianity?
Carlos printable version print page     Bookmark and Share
Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 09:51:17 AM EST
This is the question Jay Bakker (son of ex-TV evangelists Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker) asks in a recent opinion piece published on CNN.com. Not only is Jay challenging the religious right, he is also one of the few "emergent" style evangelicals who is preaching a gospel of full acceptance and affirmation of gays.[ ed : picture links to ad for Bakker's tv miniseries]
Bakker and a staff member of his church writes:

What the hell happened? Where did we go wrong? How was Christianity co-opted by a political party? Why are Christians supporting laws that force others to live by their standards? The answers to these questions are integral to the survival of Christianity. [  ]

So when did the focus of Christianity shift from the unconditional love and acceptance preached by Christ to the hate and condemnation spewed forth by certain groups today? Some say it was during the rise of Conservative Christianity in the early 1980s with political action groups like the Moral Majority. Others say it goes way back to the 300s, when Rome's Christian Emperor Constantine initiated a set of laws limiting the rights of Roman non-Christians. Regardless of the origin, one thing is crystal clear: It's not what Jesus stood for.

From an interview with Larry King:

[Larry King] Do you have any problem with the religious right and the mix with politics?

JAY BAKKER: Yes. To me it just seems like it hurts religion more than it does politics. I think Tony Compolla (ph) says it's like mixing manure and ice cream together. It doesn't really affect the manure, but the ice cream gets mixed up.

You know, that's kind of how I see what happens when religion and politics get mixed.

It's just sad to me that I feel like one group can claim Christianity. And I honestly don't think that god is a Republican or a Democrat. And I think what our job is to love people compassionately.

From Radar:

Alcohol lost its grip on Jay, and he began to reevaluate the more judgmental aspects of the faith he grew up with, particularly its condemnation of homosexuality. "The more I follow grace, the more I'm drawn to him [God], the more I'm willing to stand up for people being persecuted," says Jay today. "This sounds so churchy, but I felt like God spoke to my heart and said '[homosexuality] is not a sin.'"

The decision to make Revolution a gay-affirming church, however, wasn't an easy one. It cost him $50,000 in support from an anonymous donor--the bulk of Revolution's budget. Invitations to speak at the big emergent Christian festivals also dried up. Even his father warned that it may turn people off to his message. "It's a very lonely place to be, people telling you you're a heretic," says Jay.

Ultimately, he decided the risks were worth it. "I don't want to be a megapastor, I don't want to put my self-worth in how many speaking engagements I have. I want to put my faith in God," says Jay. "If I have to lose my church because of it, maybe the next guy will only lose half his church."




Display:
getting a good amount of publicity because of his new TV show, One Punk Under God.

by Carlos on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 12:21:17 AM EST
It's wonderful he's so outspoken.

In terms of his question, well...  Jay Bakker needs to read Talk To Action.

by Bruce Wilson on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 06:44:50 AM EST
Parent

It would have been nice to have seen a TV miniseries about Carlton Pearson  and his scandalous "Doctrine Of Inclusion".

But, I don't think Pearson has any tattoos.

by Bruce Wilson on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 07:29:08 AM EST
Parent

Thanks for taking the time to discuss this, I feel strongly that love and read more on this topic. If possible, such as gain knowledge, would you mind updating your blog with additional information? It is very useful for me.
Sideshow toys


by merpessentials on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 05:39:14 AM EST
Parent




This comes as a bit of a surprise to me, but one that brings me a renewed sense of hope and promise for the church.

I heard Carlson Pearson last year, and almost fell out of my chair. His message of full inclusion was preached at the spring revival of one of our Black United Churches of Christ which lost about a third of its membership following the passage of our Marriage Equality resolution in July of 2005. It came as quite a balm to those who remained in the church, committed to a vision of a church for all God's people. I got a chance to visit with him afterwards, and his story is an amazing one - to be sure.
Shalom, Rev. Dr. John C. Dorhauer "Time makes ancient good uncouth; we must onward still and upward who would keep abreast of truth." from Lowell, "The Present Crisis"
by John Dorhauer on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 07:58:03 AM EST

John, WBEZ in Chicago's "This American Life" did a show devoted to Pearson and his voyage to espousing the "Theology Of Inclusion" that has scandalized many in the Pentacostalist community that once embraced him as a fast rising star.

"Heretics : The story of Reverend Carlton Pearson, a renowned evangelical pastor in Tulsa, Oklahoma, who cast aside the idea of hell, and with it, everything he'd worked for over his entire life.
Prologue. Carlton Pearson's church, Higher Dimensions, was once one of the biggest in the city, drawing crowds of 5,000 people every Sunday. But several years ago, scandal engulfed the Reverend. He didn't have an affair. He didn't embezzle lots of money. His sin was something that to a lot of people is far worse ... he stopped believing in hell...."

If you follow that link I provided in my first comment, you'll find a collection of comments, attached to a Beliefnet story on Pearson, that mostly heap opprobium on Pearson for his theological views. But, the public radio segment on Pearson mentions that his new church is now growing.

by Bruce Wilson on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 08:52:29 AM EST
Parent

New web site is looking good. Thanks for the great effort. try what he says

by barristersge on Thu Jul 30, 2020 at 11:23:27 PM EST
Parent
I would like to thank you for the efforts you have made in writing this article. I am hoping the same best work from you in the future as well..
kệ siêu thị


by merpessentials on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 08:27:36 AM EST
Parent



I saw a piece on YouTube - I think - a couple of weeks ago about Carlton Pearson. I can't get into YouTube from my folks' ten-year-old "Macosaurus Wreck" to track it down though. Smart, dedicated, courageous in standing up for love and grace - we need more people like him.

I hope Jay Bakker's series makes it into cyberspace too. This guy sounds like he's worth a look! (If nothing else, you have to be at least a little bit intrigued by a televangelists' kid who holds church services in a bar.............)


by anomalous4 on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 12:33:31 AM EST
Parent




This is such a great resource that you are providing and you give it away for free. I love seeing websites that understand the value of providing a quality resource for free. It is the old what goes around comes around routine.
triệt lông bằng máy ipl


by hidok52765 on Fri Jul 24, 2020 at 02:05:50 AM EST

This is such a great resource that you are providing and you give it away for free. I love seeing websites that understand the value of providing a quality resource for free. It is the old what goes around comes around routine.
view it now


by hidok52765 on Fri Jul 31, 2020 at 02:59:10 AM EST

The information you have posted is very useful. The sites you have referred was good. Thanks for sharing...
visit this web-site


by hidok52765 on Fri Jul 31, 2020 at 11:42:35 AM EST

Very interesting blog. Alot of blogs I see these days don't really provide anything that I'm interested in. but I'm most definately interested in this one. Just thought that I would post and let you know.
websites


by hidok52765 on Sat Aug 01, 2020 at 06:57:43 AM EST

I think that thanks for the valuabe information and insights you have so provided here.
you could try here


by hidok52765 on Sat Aug 01, 2020 at 11:47:53 AM EST

This is such a great resource that you are providing and you give it away for free. I love seeing blog that understand the value of providing a quality resource for free.
anchor


by hidok52765 on Sun Aug 02, 2020 at 02:13:21 AM EST

thanks for the tips and information..i really appreciate it..
check my site


by hidok52765 on Thu Aug 06, 2020 at 12:26:15 AM EST

Thank you very much for keep this information.
pop over to these guys


by hidok52765 on Mon Aug 10, 2020 at 11:37:49 AM EST

This is such a great resource that you are providing and you give it away for free. I love seeing blog that understand the value of providing a quality resource for free.
visit here


by hidok52765 on Tue Aug 11, 2020 at 12:56:58 AM EST

This is my first time i visit here and I found so many interesting stuff in your blog especially it's discussion. thank you.
read this post here


by hidok52765 on Tue Aug 11, 2020 at 08:29:10 AM EST

Thanks for sharing this useful info..
click here to investigate


by hidok52765 on Sun Aug 16, 2020 at 11:51:51 AM EST

thank you for a great post.
helpful site


by hidok52765 on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 04:45:06 AM EST

Its a great pleasure reading your post.Its full of information I am looking for and I love to post a comment that "The content of your post is awesome" Great work.
view website


by hidok52765 on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 06:03:22 AM EST

Thanks for posting this info. I just want to let you know that I just check out your site and I find it very interesting and informative. I can't wait to read lots of your posts.
go to my blog


by hidok52765 on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 08:08:50 AM EST

Thank you very much for the sharing! COOL..
this post


by hidok52765 on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 09:32:38 AM EST

It is a great website.. The Design looks very good.. Keep working like that!.
cricut files


by hidok52765 on Sat Oct 24, 2020 at 02:33:02 PM EST


WWW Talk To Action


Cognitive Dissonance & Dominionism Denial
There is new research on why people are averse to hearing or learning about the views of ideological opponents. Based on evaluation of five......
By Frederick Clarkson (375 comments)
Will the Air Force Do Anything To Rein In Its Dynamic Duo of Gay-Bashing, Misogynistic Bloggers?
"I always get nervous when I see female pastors/chaplains. Here is why everyone should as well: "First, women are not called to be pastors,......
By Chris Rodda (203 comments)
The Legacy of Big Oil
The media is ablaze with the upcoming publication of David Grann's book, Killers of the Flower Moon. The shocking non fiction account of the......
By wilkyjr (111 comments)
Gimme That Old Time Dominionism Denial
Over the years, I have written a great deal here and in other venues about the explicitly theocratic movement called dominionism -- which has......
By Frederick Clarkson (101 comments)
History Advisor to Members of Congress Completely Twists Jefferson's Words to Support Muslim Ban
Pseudo-historian David Barton, best known for his misquoting of our country's founders to promote the notion that America was founded as a Christian nation,......
By Chris Rodda (113 comments)
"Christian Fighter Pilot" Calls First Lesbian Air Force Academy Commandant a Liar
In a new post on his "Christian Fighter Pilot" blog titled "BGen Kristin Goodwin and the USAFA Honor Code," Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan......
By Chris Rodda (144 comments)
Catholic Right Leader Unapologetic about Call for 'Death to Liberal Professors' -- UPDATED
Today, Donald Trump appointed C-FAM Executive Vice President Lisa Correnti to the US Delegation To UN Commission On Status Of Women. (C-FAM is a......
By Frederick Clarkson (126 comments)
Controlling Information
     Yesterday I listened to Russ Limbaugh.  Rush advised listeners it would be best that they not listen to CNN,MSNBC, ABC, CBS and......
By wilkyjr (118 comments)
Is Bannon Fifth-Columning the Pope?
In December 2016 I wrote about how White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, who likes to flash his Catholic credentials when it comes to......
By Frank Cocozzelli (251 comments)
Ross Douthat's Hackery on the Seemingly Incongruous Alliance of Bannon & Burke
Conservative Catholic writer Ross Douthat has dissembled again. This time, in a February 15, 2017 New York Times op-ed titled The Trump Era's Catholic......
By Frank Cocozzelli (65 comments)
`So-Called Patriots' Attack The Rule Of Law
Every so often, right-wing commentator Pat Buchanan lurches out of the far-right fever swamp where he has resided for the past 50 years to......
By Rob Boston (161 comments)
Bad Faith from Focus on the Family
Here is one from the archives, Feb 12, 2011, that serves as a reminder of how deeply disingenuous people can be. Appeals to seek......
By Frederick Clarkson (177 comments)
The Legacy of George Wallace
"One need not accept any of those views to agree that they had appealed to real concerns of real people, not to mindless, unreasoning......
By wilkyjr (70 comments)
Betsy DeVos's Mudsill View of Public Education
My Talk to Action colleague Rachel Tabachnick has been doing yeoman's work in explaining Betsy DeVos's long-term strategy for decimating universal public education. If......
By Frank Cocozzelli (80 comments)
Prince and DeVos Families at Intersection of Radical Free Market Privatizers and Religious Right
This post from 2011 surfaces important information about President-Elect Trump's nominee for Secretary of Education, Betsy DeVos. -- FC Erik Prince, Brother of Betsy......
By Rachel Tabachnick (218 comments)

Respect for Others? or Political Correctness?
The term "political correctness" as used by Conservatives and Republicans has often puzzled me: what exactly do they mean by it? After reading Chip Berlin's piece here-- http://www.talk2action.org/story/2016/7/21/04356/9417 I thought about what he explained......
MTOLincoln (253 comments)
Fear
What I'm feeling now is fear.  I swear that it seems my nightmares are coming true with this new "president".  I'm also frustrated because so many people are not connecting all the dots! I've......
ArchaeoBob (107 comments)
"America - love it or LEAVE!"
I've been hearing that and similar sentiments fairly frequently in the last few days - far FAR more often than ever before.  Hearing about "consequences for burning the flag (actions) from Trump is chilling!......
ArchaeoBob (214 comments)
"Faked!" Meme
Keep your eyes and ears open for a possible move to try to discredit the people openly opposing Trump and the bigots, especially people who have experienced terrorism from the "Right"  (Christian Terrorism is......
ArchaeoBob (165 comments)
More aggressive proselytizing
My wife told me today of an experience she had this last week, where she was proselytized by a McDonald's employee while in the store. ......
ArchaeoBob (163 comments)
See if you recognize names on this list
This comes from the local newspaper, which was conservative before and took a hard right turn after it was sold. Hint: Sarah Palin's name is on it!  (It's also connected to Trump.) ......
ArchaeoBob (169 comments)
Unions: A Labor Day Discussion
This is a revision of an article which I posted on my personal board and also on Dailykos. I had an interesting discussion on a discussion board concerning Unions. I tried to piece it......
Xulon (180 comments)
Extremely obnoxious protesters at WitchsFest NYC: connected to NAR?
In July of this year, some extremely loud, obnoxious Christian-identified protesters showed up at WitchsFest, an annual Pagan street fair here in NYC.  Here's an account of the protest by Pagan writer Heather Greene......
Diane Vera (130 comments)
Capitalism and the Attack on the Imago Dei
I joined this site today, having been linked here by Crooksandliars' Blog Roundup. I thought I'd put up something I put up previously on my Wordpress blog and also at the DailyKos. As will......
Xulon (331 comments)
History of attitudes towards poverty and the churches.
Jesus is said to have stated that "The Poor will always be with you" and some Christians have used that to refuse to try to help the poor, because "they will always be with......
ArchaeoBob (149 comments)
Alternate economy medical treatment
Dogemperor wrote several times about the alternate economy structure that dominionists have built.  Well, it's actually made the news.  Pretty good article, although it doesn't get into how bad people could be (have been)......
ArchaeoBob (90 comments)
Evidence violence is more common than believed
Think I've been making things up about experiencing Christian Terrorism or exaggerating, or that it was an isolated incident?  I suggest you read this article (linked below in body), which is about our great......
ArchaeoBob (214 comments)

More Diaries...




All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. Comments, posts, stories, and all other content are owned by the authors. Everything else © 2005 Talk to Action, LLC.