Fundamentalist manipulation and mindbending- my story
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Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 01:13:44 PM EST
I've been learning more and more just how badly the short time I spent in the AG church had damaged my spirit, and how much they'd been playing mind games with me before that (when I was a young teen).   I hope that what I have written will be of help to others, in seeing the evil that is being perpetrated upon innocent lives, and hopefully help some people to healing.
The earliest encounters I had with fundamentalists (especially the Assemblies of God) was their regular attempts to proselytize me, with pamphlets and scare tactics- starting before junior high.  I got the "going to hell" stuff even as a little kid.  I was both fascinated and repelled by their tracts and statements.  I also felt fear of God and punishment then (now that I've thought about it).  There may have also been some attempts when I was VERY young- I vaguely remember being afraid of a church.  We lived in Utah at the time, and I do know that the Mormons were messing with my mind severely.  I've been told that they took me into their homes and were telling me how bad my parents were and so on.  I also think I started getting doses of hellfire and brimstone then. (the Mormons still come across as fundamentalists to me!)  One memory I do have is being injured while riding on the handlebars of a Mormon kid's bike (quite a distance from my home), being thrown on the side of the road with the comment "you're nothing but a gentile brat anyway", and crawling with a mangled leg for a long distance, until a nice lady on a horse spotted me and gave me a ride to my house.  I couldn't walk for quite a long time.  My parents said it was over a month, and that I'd crawled almost a mile.  My leg had gotten tangled in the spokes of the bike while it was going rather fast.  I was going somewhere with a group of Mormon youths- from about my age to some of them being in their teens or older.

Let's switch to the way the fundamentalists like to tamper with people's hearts and sexuality.
When I was a young, a young fundamentalist girl tried to use sexual curiosity to get me involved in her church.  I wonder what would have happened if I'd fallen into her trap!  (I do know she caused me a LOT of frustration!)
A few years later, I was told by another teenage AG girl that God meant for me to be single all of my life.  I realized much later that she was using that as an excuse because she was interested in my brother, even though he wasn't in her (and I was).  I don't know how others heard about that little incident- but I heard "God's singleness plan for you" several other times!  (I've been married for 23 years now.)   Considering that some of these people who said that came from completely different states, I rather think that it is a fundie teaching rather than something that was shared.
That sort of thing continued when I was a young adult, and had started going to the AG church.  They pushed girls at guys who didn't want to marry, and kept people away from others who were lonely- I saw this several times and it was deliberate.  Dating was discouraged for anyone who felt unloved and lonely (such a person wasn't right with God and should avoid relationships until they WERE right with God)!  They also insisted that sex was meant for procreation only and that anything remotely sexual whatsoever outside of marriage was sin that would send you to hell.   You were NEVER supposed to seek relationships, if you were single you were expected to be happy like that, and if you were in a bad marriage, well, unless the other person sought a divorce, the attitude was "tough luck".  Indeed, the preaching I heard was such that you were made to feel guilty for having any sex drive at all.
There was a young Assemblies lady that I was very attracted to.  She got it in her head that God meant for her to marry a young man in the church.  He didn't want to get married, and especially to her.  He left the state and moved north, and ended up marrying another girl to try to avoid the girl I was attracted to.  She was encouraged in this and kept after him long after he'd left and gotten married- with the church's blessing!  At the same time, she was actively discouraged from even considering me.  A few years ago, I saw an article in the local paper about a murder.  It was a jealous man who murdered his wife because (as I remember) she wasn't submissive enough.  He was the ugliest, dirtiest, meanest looking person I'd seen- and I am pretty sure that it was the girl I liked that he had murdered.  If so, I grieve for her. She deserved to be loved and cared about, not abused.

What do you bet that a fundamentalist reading this will think or say that I am "in rebellion against God" because I married my wife Susan 23 years ago- almost a year after I walked.

Next, let's discuss health issues as I experienced with fundamentalists.

I can argue very strongly that fundamentalists are driven by stereotypes and not by reality.  I've suffered with chronic (cramping) diarrhea most of my life, as well as chronic tiredness and weakness (including muscle pains).  Some days the pain from the cramps is such that I cannot function for a good amount of time.  I also constantly (but slowly) gained weight, and if I tried to diet, I would get physically ill with a severe headache and vertigo and loss of muscle control.  When I was actually a member of an Assemblies church, I was told that I must be eating wrong and that I was being lazy and that I needed to fast.  They even told me I had good health and should be thankful... after all, I had all of my limbs and could see.

Finally, many years later I was diagnosed with severe to profound Fibromyalgia syndrome and spastic colon.  I'd been suffering with that through the whole time (They also told me to stop "whining", that everyone has aches and pains and that if I was having stomach problems, I must have been committing gluttony or some other sin).   I've talked with people (in recent years) with other physical problems- the regular complaint I hear is that although they can function and want to do a lot of things, the fundamentalists would try to dissuade them because they were disabled.  In these cases, the disability was visible.  If the disability was invisible, it didn't exist and they were expected to function as well as anyone else.  I will admit, however, that there was a difference between women and men in this- a man was expected to work harder and not mention such things as pain or tiredness.

The root cause of my health was exposure to fallout while living in Utah... but that is another story.  (A story of continuing injustice!)

Now to control...

The problems I was dealing with while I was in the Assemblies were severe.  I'd been the subject of mind games for years, and I was a very lonely person who had been taught that I was a loner (but I am NOT).  I had problems fitting in and finding acceptance- people were always trying to get me to be like THEY wanted me to be, and never accepting the person that I WAS.  I was, and am, a very sensitive person, who cares about others, sees and appreciates beauty (I LOVE kittens and flowers), and has a romantic streak a mile long.  I am also someone who has been severely hurt because of this- the stereotype of a "MAN" was someone that was tough, insensitive, and macho.  I have never been these things.  Yet, I can (and did) survive things that other people have only heard about, including being shot at, nearly (deliberately) poisoned, and many other horrific experiences.  I have always considered manhood as being a function of self-control and inward strength.  Indeed, my idea of a real man is of a protector (and nurturer).  After I'd been a member of the Assemblies for about a year, they actually ordered me out of the church.  The problems I had were not solved by their "slap on the head" and I didn't understand "let go and let God".  I was walking out when a woman said I had a "know it all spirit".  They called me back and prayed for me.  I should have kept going.  You see, they thought they knew my problems and needs more than I did.  Their solution- I had to "get more right with God" and I had to submit to their ideas for my life.  These ideas included singleness, self mortification (Have to put God first, you know- die to self and be alive to God), and being very active in the church.  Basically, it got to be where if the church doors were open, I had to be there.
They had problems with me doing anything that gave me enjoyment.  Finally, about half a year later, I was ORDERED to eliminate fishing, hunting, and everything I enjoyed doing IF I wanted to go to Heaven.  Shortly after that, I walked out.  When I did, two of the church members actually tried to break open the door to my parent's house, where I was living at the time.

 If a person was hurting for any reason, they made them feel worse and guilty for feeling worse.  They played all sorts of mind games on young people- whatever a person wanted, they opposed.  Whatever a person DIDN'T want, they demanded.  This is what happened to me, and I observed it being done to others.  As I grew older and observed other things, I discovered that in most cases, this is a deliberate move.

 The AG churches I attended actually suggested that people to do stupid things like self-castration if they were sexually attracted to someone, getting rid of their surplus cash if they wanted to take a vacation instead of going to church (give it to the church), and so on.  I finally learned what the parable about "if an eye causes you to sin..." meant a few days ago.  It meant to try to stop a problem while it was still small, before it became big- NOT hurting yourself or doing something drastic to prevent doing something wrong!

Now for more modern experiences- in the last ten to fifteen years.

Several years ago I learned a family secret- I'd been led to believe (actually told) that my heritage was German and English, and that my ancestors were fairly recent immigrants.  That turned out to be a LIE.
I am part Cherokee and Muskogee- Creek Indian, with other probable connections to the Catawba, the Iroquois, and possibly Shawnee.  I also have a few Norwegian and Scotts/Irish ancestors.  That discovery explained a lot of things to me about myself and many of the problems I had, including comments and treatment I'd received when I was young and most of the misunderstandings I had with others.  I discovered that there was an entire "race", or ethnicity, that thought very much like I did in a lot of ways, and with whom I have never had any real problems communicating or understanding.  I also learned that many of my experiences with fundamentalism were shared with them.  I also learned that the worst persecution and harassment came from fundamentalists, with the Assemblies topping the list (and the Southern Baptists a close second).  The last job I tried to hold, I was told to my face that I had to choose between my job and my tribe by my supervisor (who was a fundamentalist Roman Catholic).  I was supposed to have dropped that "heathen stuff".  My wife, who also discovered that she is part Muskogee-Creek, lost three jobs DIRECTLY AND SIMPLY because we are Indian.  We've had the "heathen" insults (of all types) thrown in our faces fairly often.  The last church we attended was, for a while, more accepting than most.  When we started going there, Sue (my wife) asked how they would feel if Native Americans wearing traditional clothing were to attend.  We were told that they WANTED us there.  We attended, and for the most part were accepted (except by some of the more conservative and fundamentalist people, who felt that we should assimilate).  However, we found out that people were working behind the scenes against us- one woman specifically because we were Indian and active in tribal life!!!  (It was heathen and cultic in her eyes).  I also had problems with fundamentalists who had "joined" the denomination (Episcopal Church).  When I asked for prayers for Justice (because of chronic injustices we'd suffered under), they told me that "Christians never ask for Justice, they only try to DO it!!!" and "Christians don't feel that way!!!" and that as a sinner, I should NEVER ask for justice- I might get it!  They also acted (and said) that we brought our problems upon ourselves, quote" You should dress and act like everyone else!" and "Poverty is the consequence of SIN!"  These people were actively pushing towards a more conservative, fundamentalist idea of the "Gospel" which included all of the nonsense that I had heard before and gaining positions of authority in the parish.  Our church recently turned more dominionist ("Intelligent Design", support of war, hostility towards gay people, judgmental towards the poor).  My wife and I left the church.  We'd had enough.  We no longer go to church.

Even more recently, I've had run-ins with people at school (I returned to school and I'm now working on a MA in Applied Anthropology).  I believe that ALL people should be treated equally, and with kindness and acceptance.  I also have studied, and recognize the truth of evolution.  I've been attacked at school and online by fundamentalists who call me names, tell me that I'm going to hell... well, I think a lot of people know the score.  They have no problems with expressing hatred and rejection towards us in the name of Christ, but cannot accept that we believe in Christ.  That is no different than what I heard all of the time I was in the Assemblies!  Some of the, as a friend calls them, "Jackleg preachers" who come to our campus call us devil worshippers, condemn us to hell, and even once said that if you ever talked to your pets, you were going to hell!!!  They try to disrupt things on campus, and I believe are deliberately trying to get the kids to leave school and accept their brainwashing.  Others say that they're trying to get the school to throw them off campus so they can file a lawsuit for violation of freedom of speech.  The sad thing is that they are driving people AWAY from God, not drawing them closer!

I have horrible problems with self-hatred and self-abuse (I've gotten better since I learned about my heritage and returned to school).  I've been realizing more and more where it comes from.  The Assemblies (and fundamentalists in general) teach people to hurt and hate themselves for wanting to be happy!

I pray that God makes it possible for us to be happy, and grants Justice in our favor!!!




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I just got told on another sig (by a fundamentalist) that I am incapable of honesty and not a believer (because I don't accept biblical literalism).  

If you don't think like them, you're condemned to hell.  

It is sad, the damage they do to others in Christ's name, and the incredible number of people driven from God by their mindbending and hatred.

by ArchaeoBob on Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 03:57:21 PM EST


No matter how much you try to avoid it, you will always be harassed by them, because they believe that they, and they alone, hold the "key". For fundamentalists, theirs is the only "true" religion, and anyone who believes differently is destined for eternity in "hell".


Don't let them get to you, though. You are the only person who really knows what meets your spiritual needs.



by LynneK on Sat Oct 14, 2006 at 10:37:18 AM EST

They consider it the same as "rejecting god". That's the sad thing. They are so certain that they are correct and everyone else is wrong that they don't see the bigger picture.


Personally, I think that, far from "rejecting god", you have merely embraced your relationship with the divine in a better, healthier way.



by LynneK on Sun Oct 15, 2006 at 10:31:51 AM EST
by Dr. Ron Moseley and what she has been learning has been a major influence of healing in the last couple of months.  The book explores the Jewish thought and understanding that Teyose (Jesus) had as a Jew.

For instance, the modern misunderstanding of the concepts behind the word mistranslated as "Law".  Sue read me the Jewish thought behind the original word- it doesn't mean the same thing at all.  Dr. Moseley quoted another person in his book - "The idea of Law in Hebrew is not something that, if transgressed, is going to get you zapped".  How different this is from all of the preaching I've gotten, not only from fundamentalists, but even from somewhat less conservative preachers as well!  

I can see where Teyose was getting really upset with the Pharisees and others who seem to have been trying to turn it into a top-down rules and regulations thing.  It fits right in with my concept of Christianity and the way God meant for it to be.

I personally appreciate the Navajo concept of "Law" -  Life comes from it.  It is the way of harmony and balance and being in the "right place" (my words).  It is a STRICTLY positive thing.

I am having to "unlearn" a lot of things, and reevaluate my faith from the ground up.

 

by ArchaeoBob on Sun Oct 15, 2006 at 09:13:16 PM EST
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Bob, I don't believe that you are rejecting God so much as a caricature of God.  And, in all fairness, it must be said that your experience with AG, or your perspective of that experience, does not speak for all of them.  

Every human life was created in the image of God, and therefore has worth and value, and I think that we need to get to know one another more personally and relationally before we sweep everybody that identifies with a certain external label into the same category.  There is the good and the bad, not only within every institution, but within each one of us.  As Solzenitsyn once stated of his experience in the concentration camps, "I came to see that not all of the guards were bad guys, and not all of the prisoners were good guys.  I came to see that the line between good and evil is not a line that can be drawn between races, nations, social classes, or political parties.  It is a line that is drawn inside of each and every human life."

Human beings are capable of both the worst and the best, and we all share a common humanity and human weakness as well as potential for greatness.

This is a condition that calls for healing, not judgmentalism, and each of us decides where we will place our dependency for the healing of the human condition.

by cheers on Sun Oct 15, 2006 at 08:19:46 AM EST

Cheers, I don't know who you are, but I NEVER said I was rejecting God.  The only ones who say that are fundamentalists- who not only tend to, but they DO condemn anyone who doesn't think like them.  It is the norm.  I spent a couple of years in a couple of Assemblies of God churches - I KNOW HOW THEY THINK.  They are exactly like the pharasees and scribes that Teyose (Jesus) dealt with.  Indeed, I am learning almost every day (24 years later) the truth about matters in which the AG church LIES.

Don't even begin to try to defend those worthless bast***s.  I know them for what they are- as Jesus said: whitewashed tombs.

The ONLY thing I will say in their defense is that it is sad; they THINK they are doing God's will and worshipping God in truth.

by ArchaeoBob on Sun Oct 15, 2006 at 09:16:47 AM EST
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