Are You a Dominionist? Take the Test!
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You may not be a dominionist -- but you might be surprised to find out what you really are, according the folks at Worldview Weekend:
"After you've taken the test, you will get an instant score. Your worldview will be tested in the area of law, economics, civil government, religion, social issues, sociology (family issues) education and science. Your worldview will be rated for these eight areas as either: Strong Biblical Worldview Thinker, Moderate Biblical Worldview Thinker, Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker, Socialist Worldview Thinker or Communist/Marxist/Socialist/Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker. You will also receive an overall worldview score and rating..... For those of you scoring the highest score possible, Biblical Theism, you will be REWARDED with a beautiful, professional looking certificate. This certificate will certify that you took the test and scored as a Strong Biblical Worldview Thinker. You can print out your certificate at the end of the test, but it will also be emailed to you so you may save it or print it out on beautiful parchment paper. This certificate would look great on your wall and would also be very rewarding for students who take this test.

Worldview Weekend is an itinerant seminar -- roving the country teaching dominionist thinking. They have about 20 such events around the country each year, reaching, they claim, about 20,000 people.

I know about some, but certainly not all of the "faculty" who are teaching aspects of this "Biblical Worldview."

One of the regulars is David Barton, a propagandist for the notion that America was founded as a Christian nation -- that must be restored. He is also Vice-Chairman of the Texas Republican Party. Carlos wrote a bit about Barton here at Talk to Action the other day. Barton is so popular that Worldview Weekend has a special section of their online bookstore devoted to Barton.

Another WW regular is Christian Reconstructionist Gary DeMar, who is featured in journalist John Sugg's article on Christian Reconstructionism in the current issue of Mother Jones magazine. Sugg stopped by at Talk to Action for a chat on Tuesday. DeMar is also an advocate of the idea that America was founded as a Christian nation and that it must be restored. But what is his vision of the once and future Christian America?

I wrote a great deal about DeMar in Eternal Hostility:  The Struggle Between Theocracy and Democracy. Here is a brief section to give you a flavor of DeMar's role. In 1994, the commissioners in Cobb County, Georgia, passed a series of resolutions against homosexuality, defunded country arts programs and made it illegal for county funds to be spent on abortions. The point man in the effort, Gordon Wysong was honored at a banquet sponsored by Gary DeMar's activist think tank American Vision.

"In his banquet speech, commissioner Wysong blasted homosexuality, exclaiming, "We should blame them for every social failure in America." He received a standing ovation. American Vision president Gary DeMar called him a "statesman."

The keynote speaker was [American Vision] boardmember Dr. Steven Hotze, who has written that "to solve our nation's social and moral problems, our government must enforce biblical law." Hotze was, at the time, chairman of the Harris County (Houston) GOP, and remains prominent in Texas Republican politics.

In his speech, he called for destablization of the federal government.  "What we need in America today," Hotze declared, "is judges, we need mayors, we need governors who are willing to stand up to our Supreme Court, to our president and [apparently referring to abortion] say 'Not in our city.' Hotze continued, "I am convinced if men of courage in positions of leadership.... would stand, they would bring about a significant constitutional crisis." Hotze concluded, in the presence of a number of candidates for state, local and federal office, "We need to get men elected to do that." (page 116-117)

Quite independently, former Southern Baptist Bruce Prescott, then of Houston, was also learning about Hotze. He discussed this history in his first post at Talk to Action last week.

There are now many folks who are busy comparing notes about what's been going on for the past few decades.  It's long over due, don't you think?  

Meanwhile, it is unlikely that such political histrionics as Hotze's will be on display at a Worldview Weekend. But given who some of the speakers are, it is fair to raise the question that if a Christian nation is the goal, what would it look like? If a dominionist political movement in the GOP or in the rival Constitution Party (the third largest party in the U.S.) is underway, then what is the agenda? Is Gary DeMar's idea of statesmanship where this movement is headed?  Is a Worldview Weekend seminar coming to your town?



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Are You a Dominionist? Take the Test! | 26 comments (26 topical, 0 hidden)
Apparently, three questions..... (5.00 / 1)
Will determine the result, unless pay scale figures in somehow.

The "Worldview Weekend" is quite a production, and I noticed this new book on the WW website -

"One Nation Under Man? The Worldview War Between Christians and the Secular Left" - By Brannon Howse

Here is an excerpt from the book's introduction:

"Endorsed by: Fred Barnes, Former Attorney General Ed Meese, David Limbaugh, U.S. Congressman Jim Ryun, Michael Reagan, Lee Greenwood, Dr. Tim LaHaye, Dr. D. James Kennedy, David Barton, David Noebel, Tim Wildmon, Kerby Anderson and Josh McDowell"

"One Democrat argues that his party needs to make up for its "Godgap," as if a party that is overwhelmingly committed to abortion and same-sex marriage, to name only two pertinent issues, could fool the public into thinking they actually care about what matters to God--to say nothing of the implications that Democrats are hooked at the hip with the American Civil Liberties Union, radical homosexual groups, the National Education Association, Planned Parenthood, and the United Nations, all of which make no secret about their hatred of the God of the Bible and His laws. What many modern-day liberals don't understand is that everyone's worldview is the foundation of their values, and this worldview is the motivator behind a person's conduct. One Nation under Man?"

Howse also runs the "Christian Worldview Network"

by Bruce Wilson on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 05:12:11 PM EST


Just for perspective's sake (5.00 / 1)
I'll tell you my score, mind you I am a reasonably strict and observant Muslim, and I got a 37%.

That puts me squarely in the "Secular Humanist" range! Quite bizarre indeed!

by moses freeman on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 06:36:06 PM EST

Well, of course..... (none / 0)
You may have major differences with secularists, atheists, Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, Unitarians, Jains, Ba'hai  etc. ......

But many dominionists would consider all but themselves damned to the fires of hell.

by Bruce Wilson on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 01:24:55 AM EST
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What really gets me are the political questions (none / 0)
For instance what does Geo Bush have to with how "christian" someone is?

Scary stuff!

by moses freeman on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 01:57:52 AM EST
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yes, that was the oddest question (none / 0)
among ALOT of very odd questions. I couldn't figure out the purpose of that one.

by Frederick Clarkson on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 02:27:17 AM EST
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I can actually explain a bit of this (none / 0)
There actually IS an explanation of that, oddly enough.

Specifically, Bush is included because Bush is seen by a large number of dominionists as divinely annointed to lead the country.  (No, I am not making this up.)

Let me explain.
Firstly, Bush has claimed he was chosen by God to run the country in rallies at dominionist churches.

The fact that Bush has been documented using dominionist code phrases in speeches doesn't really reassure one, either.

The fact that the inauguration itself (which was filled with dominionist code words) was likewise seen by dominionist groups as proof they had won also doesn't help.

Bush has even described himself explicitly as a "messenger of God" and "doing God's will" and explicitly believes his presidential election was the result of divine providence.

Now, a minor digression that ties this together:

A very common piece of scripture-twisting that is used in spiritually abusive churches (especially spiritually abusive churches part of the "Third Wave" movement or into "spiritual warfare" movements in general--nearly all of which are dominionist as a direct extension of their theology) is "touch not my annointed" or "touch not a man of God".

I have touched on this in passing in relation to spiritual abuse in the church I walked away from, but it bears further discussion in specific relation to the mindset in spiritually abusive churches supporting dominionism (and why it is so difficult to criticise the practices of their church leaders).

This apologetics site has specific reference to the misuse of "touch not mine annointed":

Many a day, whether it is via the televangelists or out of the podiums of local churches, two groups of phrases are delivered to all who listen. The first phrase is "Judge not, lest ye be judged" from Matthew 7:1. The second phrase is from Psalms 105:15 which states "Saying, touch not mine annointed, and do my prophets no harm." Is this what Christians do when they question teachings from (most of the time self-proclained) "God's Anointed" evangelists and preachers. Many who claim to have the annointing would say so, and so would their followers. To any criticisms directed to them, whether positive or negative, their response is usually "Touch Not Mine Annointed"

From the pulpit of a well known televangelist on recorded tape.

"There are people attempting to sit in judgement right today over the ministry that I am responsible for, and the ministry that Kenneth E. Hagin is responsible for. ... Several people that I know of called that faith bunch out of Tulsa a cult, And some of them are dead right today in an early grave because of it, and there's more than one of them got cancer."

From the pulpit of a local church I once attended.

"So you want to say that what I am preaching is not from God? You need to remember, "Touch Not God's Annointed". Since I have been given responsibility for this congregation and I am the shepherd, You do not have the right to question me. I am a child of God and I pray, talk to, and hear from God everyday. When you question me, you are actually questioning God. Therefore, to question me is to place your self in rebellion and in opposition to God himself. You, the congregation, know what happens when you are in rebellion. Remember 1 Samuel 15:23 "For rebellion is as of the sin of witchcraft...". Therefore, If you dare to question me, you are in witchcraft, and you are to be treated and punished the same as witches, mediums, and sorcerers, in the eyes of God..."

So, we have seen two different perspectives manifesting the same root. To question these leaders about their teachings is questioning God himself. To question would bring such horrors such as: cancer, other sicknesses, death, judgement, branded a "heretic", etc.


As the page notes, this is actually a misuse of that particular verse in an attempt to stifle dissent and criticism:
In fact, when one reads Psalms 105:15, one can clearly see that this whole Psalm is devoted to the memories of where God had brought his people from since the beginning of time from Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, and Moses. Verse 15 deals specifically with the issue of the historical aspects of the true enemies of God touching the chosen people of Israel. This verse actually comes from Genesis 20:7.

Dominionists, especially the "premillenial dispensationalist" flavour of dominionists, also consider themselves specificially "annointed" as a "chosen people" by God along with Israel (in the pentecostal branches of dominionist thought, the existence of the pentecostal movement and the revivals that crop up now and again in that movement are seen as "proof" of this).

More info of this misuse of scripture or use of scripture out of context for purposes of abuse (termed "scripture twisting" in the walkaway community):
http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts/anointed.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6312/abuse3.html
http://members.citynet.net/morton/touchnot.htm (EXTREMELY good page on this)

Why do I mention this?

Many of the "home churches" behind the dominionist movement, in particular the AoG, have not only documented histories of this exact sort of scripture twisting among other forms of spiritual abuse occuring in their congregations, but also multiple administration links exist to the AoG in particular including General Boykin, ex-Attorney  General John Ashcroft (whose senatorial campaign was actually funded by the AoG and who, in typical AoG religious practice, literally had himself annointed with Wesson oil when olive oil was unavailable upon his appointment as Attorney-General), and Doug Wead (and in fact much of his coaching in dominionist thought and lingo was from Wead himself).

In "dominionist-ese", these people ARE being taught that Bush is, quite literally, one of the "annointed of God" and thus not to be questioned at the very peril of one's soul.  Being one of the "annointed", he's to be followed without question and supported.

Bush also explicitly used spiritual warfare terminology that has explicit meaning to dominionists after 9/11, so most dominionists in the "spiritual warfare" movement really DO think Dubya is "one of them", so to speak.

In fact, their belief that Dubya is one of "their annointed" is strong enough that the phenomenon of "prayer gangs" specifically set up for praying for the President has started
(warning: pro-dominionist):

http://www.thegospelgreats.com/bush.htm
http://www.heartlight.org/fast/

This article also has further information on the specific promotion of Bush as "Annointed" as well as the formation of "prayer gangs" to support him.

There is at least one Christian group standing up to this nonsense, though: Christians Doubting President Bush (which was formed, in part, because of dominionist churches claiming that Bush was "chosen by God to lead this country").

(And yeah, I'm gonna make this into a dedicated post on my diary)

by dogemperor on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 12:34:57 PM EST
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I received a score of -55% lol (none / 0)
I was put in a combined group:

Communist/Socialist/Secular Humanist

I'm now so confused?!
Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism: Martin Luther King, Jr.
by djdancer on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 07:27:13 AM EST
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You win :3 (none / 0)
Okay, so far you have the "top" score on here, LOL :3

by dogemperor on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 12:35:48 PM EST
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Aww, Maaan! (none / 0)
I'm not even on the scale!

"Your score is: -54 points of 170 possible. -31%"

I'm not quite sure what that makes me, but I sure don't fit into their narrow worldview...

The questions are a very effective push poll.

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Beware of the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.
by mataliandy on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 06:21:49 PM EST


Uh, oh (none / 0)
Flunked big time.

What a hoot! How did you find it? From the normative data, looks like it was a very selective sample of respondents. Bet the Kossacks would love to freep it. Those "Worldview" heads would explode.

On a more serious note, don't know if anyone noticed the following on the sign-up page:

the group code you were given by your group leader if you are taking this as part of a group activity: By typing in the group code your teacher, pastor or administrator has given you; your test results will be available for that individual to view. By typing in the code you are agreeing to allow us to provide your test results to him/her. None of your background information however is made available to the teacher, administrator or pastor that has asked you to take this worldview test.

That's scary! Talk about thought police...and what a marketing ploy.

Lessons learned:
We need to put up a "Moral Values Inventory." Far a start on broad categories, how about: Multicultural Ethics, Jesus' Values, Founding Fathers' Values, Cognitive Flexibility.

And everybody could sell their books.

 

by Psyche on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 07:31:27 PM EST

ha! (none / 0)
I had been aware of the Worldview Weekend folks, but truth be told, someone left the link on a diary the other day. I followed the link. The rest is history;-)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/1/162833/528

I think there is much to be learned from poking around the WW site, and following thier activities.


by Frederick Clarkson on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 07:46:36 PM EST
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Thanks for the tip. (none / 0)
I've gotten into the habit of checking some dominionist sites to understand better how they think and see what they're up to politically but had missed that one. Generally, they seem pretty frightening - which I guess I'm why I'm here.

BTW - Had a discussion with Pastor Dan yesterday about intersection of religious beliefs and understanding of evolution. Did a quick lit search and turned up a couple of interesting papers. Thought of summarizing in a diary as a way into dealing with the current ID mess. Would that be OT or too wonkish for this site?

by Psyche on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 08:14:50 PM EST
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hard to say what's too wonkish (none / 0)
Give the site guidelines a read, and if in your judgement, what you have in mind makes sense, go for it!

My main guidance to folks is to keep in mind the first sentence of the statement of purpose.

If you think a summary of some papers about ID and related matters would help people to better understand it, shape better arguments, make better public presenations... whatever... tell us what you have in mind. Solid intellectual material is important. So is making it accessible to folks and figuring out what to do with it.

by Frederick Clarkson on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 08:29:16 PM EST
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I am a lump of pure evil (none / 0)
Your classification is: Communist/Marxist/Socialist/Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker

Your score is: -32 points of 170 possible, -18%

I had to say "No Opinion" to some of them because of the way the questions were worded. I probably would have scored much lower (Higher?) That was fun.

by bybelknap on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 08:28:35 PM EST


hmmm (none / 0)
can't get to it right now. think they took it down? or maybe it's getting so many hits from evil Agents of the Englightenment that the server can't cope.

by IseFire on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 09:30:41 PM EST
I was able to take the test (none / 0)
the site says some folks have browser issues.

Of course, they may be agents of the Enlightenment browsers...

by Frederick Clarkson on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 10:25:47 PM EST
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My score was 16 out of 170 points (none / 0)
Which made me a "Socialist Worldview Thinker."

After the test, they suggest the following program for improving one;'s score:

Attend a Worldview Weekend near you.
Send your 16 to 25 year olds to a two-week Summit camp in Colorado. (You will find a link to their web page on every page of our website)
Adults should consider a one week Summit experience at our Adult/Educators Conf held at the Navigator's Glen Eyrie Conference Center.
Begin teaching or attending a 13 week course of study entitled Thinking Like A Christain. This course is for sale at our onlne bookstore at www.worldviewweekend.com
Read the following worldview books which are available at our online bookstore at www.worldviewweekend.com
 Mind Seige by Dr. Tim LaHaye and Dr. David Noebel
God & Government I, II, and III by Gary DeMar
No Retreasts, No Reserves, No Regreats, by numerous authors
Original Intent by David Barton
Reasons for Believeing By Frank Harber
The Battle For Truth, by David Noebel
Revised and Expanded Answers Book by Ken Ham
Thinking Straight in a Crooked World by Gary DeMar  

Then retake the test and see what improvements you or your teen have made.
For a refutation of this statement the following statements:

If you want to study the original source of law, then study the previous decisions of judges since our laws are always evolving based on the most recent decisions of our nation's judges.

Since God is not the author of law, the author of law must be man. In other words, the law is the law simply because the highest human authority, which is the state, has said it is law and is able to back it up by force.

Please see John Eidsmoe, Christianity & the Constitution (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1987, 2003).




by Frederick Clarkson on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 10:12:14 PM EST

Mummy, I think the liberal eclectic pagan broke it (none / 0)
Your classification is: Communist/Marxist/Socialist/Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker

Your score is: -17 points of 170 possible, -10%

Oh dear, not only am I a Secular Humanist, I'm also apparently a closet Red as well.  Boy, I hope   the church I walked away from doesn't find out or they'll lynch me for sure as the Antichrist :3

(Seriously, I break their test on so many levels it isn't funny.  One, I am...how shall we say...very very eclectic religiously, almost on the border between being a pagan and a deist with a good splash of Discordianism :3 (I.e. even sacred cows need to be turned into hamburger now and again lest they get mad cow disease.)  Secondly, some areas I tend to be fiscally conservative but generally I oppose whatever dominionist groups approve of because I know darned well what the full agenda consists of.  I think that might skew things a bit. :3)

(I would also imagine that being raised in a dominionist group, and now being a very loud and cranky walkaway doing all one can to keep the folks who hurt one from enacting a political agenda that would result in most of the country being hurt the same way....yeah, that might skew it too, I think. :3)

*puts on my "Evil Bi Pagan Commie Baby-Killer for Christ" sticker on to complete the general snarkiness, and reminds myself that if there is anything to that whole Second Coming business that they'd probably consider Jesus an Ebil Commie Socialist too*

(...really, I've let the childish silliness out of my system, I promise :3

by dogemperor on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 11:54:59 PM EST

wellll... (none / 0)
I'd say anyone who is a minus 17 on the dominionist scale is entitled to a little fun;-)

by Frederick Clarkson on Fri Dec 02, 2005 at 12:06:56 AM EST
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H'mmm... (none / 0)
Haven't taken the test yet- they seem to want too much information for me to be comfortable with them. Plus, my score would probably make their servers implode.

Still, that's a good find, Fred!

...wanders off to find something to write about...

by Lorie Johnson on Fri Dec 02, 2005 at 09:28:06 AM EST
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For those concerned re privacy... (none / 0)
...they happily accept nunya@darnbusiness.com for an email and a completely fake name :3

(Nope, don't trust 'em as far as I can throw 'em either.  Then again, I don't trust MOST online registry stuff...tend to either use BugMeNot for registration, or for those few sites where there isn't a BugMeNot registry, I always use the address of Wrigley Field for the address and the phone number I give is for a recorded tourism line in the Commonwealth of the Marianas. :3)

(Wrigley Field, notably, has a plausible address that looks like a mailable residential address; the Commonwealth of the Mariana Islands happens to be the most distant point dialable under the "North American Numbering Plan" (aka with an area code rather than through international access codes here in the States or Canada).  :3)

(Yes, I'm particularly evil about the phone thing, I freely admit.  If they're going to ask for something i normally do NOT give out (my phone number is even unlisted and unpublished), I'm going to make sure that the object lesson is brought home if they try to telemarket that number :3)

by dogemperor on Fri Dec 02, 2005 at 11:49:19 AM EST
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Winner! (none / 0)
I think I just won the ratings game.  I got -76.  
Hallelujah!!

by lolorb on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 09:59:04 AM EST
It's Dominionist Limbo! (none / 0)
How low can you go?

Congratulations!

by moses freeman on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 12:28:09 PM EST
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*DIES LAUGHING* (none / 0)
Dominionist Limbo!  I like that term :3

*seriously wonders when we can have our Super Sekrit Humanist Red Cabal decoder pins--I sent off for mine two weeks ago* :3

by dogemperor on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 12:37:38 PM EST
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A proud -70 (none / 0)
I'd proudly wear my -70 on a t-shirt! I'd much rather be lumped in with all the rest of you commie/marxist/socialist/seculars than those folks at WW any day.

Here's a copy of an email I sent to them after the "test."  It'll be interesting to see if they have any response.

December 3, 2005

The questions for your world view test are so ambiguous, so full of contradiction in a single question, as to be stastically impossible to score with any reasonable degree of certainty.  

It is so obvious that unless one considers the title of "god" to be the name of the actual, singular, limited deity that is erronously taught as being described in the bible, there are no real options for answers on this test.  The only truth exposed by this test's questions is the mindset of limitation, exclusion, bigotry, and contradiction that is required by christianity in order to pretend to conform and fit in.

Using "biblical worldview" and "thinker" in the same sentence is a contradiction of terms, and it is offensive that your religon has hijacked such words as god, morality, values, faith, and so many others so that their use and meaning are as limited as the deity you like to think you represent.

Your religion is one of the greatest, if not the very strongest of tools being used to keep humanity from living lives of joy, filled with hope and limitless possibility from the Source of our very being.

Regards,


by ReligionFree on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 02:25:59 PM EST

Re (none / 0)
Interesting. I haven't got mine done. Will do it soon. Somewhat I don't find it very accurate as far as I see the results everyone has. I doubt they will reply.

by stewiegriffin on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 01:33:19 AM EST
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Extremely obnoxious protesters at WitchsFest NYC: connected to NAR?
In July of this year, some extremely loud, obnoxious Christian-identified protesters showed up at WitchsFest, an annual Pagan street fair here in NYC.  Here's an account of the protest by Pagan writer Heather Greene......
Diane Vera (130 comments)
Capitalism and the Attack on the Imago Dei
I joined this site today, having been linked here by Crooksandliars' Blog Roundup. I thought I'd put up something I put up previously on my Wordpress blog and also at the DailyKos. As will......
Xulon (331 comments)
History of attitudes towards poverty and the churches.
Jesus is said to have stated that "The Poor will always be with you" and some Christians have used that to refuse to try to help the poor, because "they will always be with......
ArchaeoBob (149 comments)
Alternate economy medical treatment
Dogemperor wrote several times about the alternate economy structure that dominionists have built.  Well, it's actually made the news.  Pretty good article, although it doesn't get into how bad people could be (have been)......
ArchaeoBob (90 comments)
Evidence violence is more common than believed
Think I've been making things up about experiencing Christian Terrorism or exaggerating, or that it was an isolated incident?  I suggest you read this article (linked below in body), which is about our great......
ArchaeoBob (214 comments)

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